Four years ago, (2012), Trump was saying the college electoral is bad for democracy. I quote his tweet, "The electoral college is a disaster for a democracy.". The system is flawed. I don't think it's just the "younger generation" that sees its flawed, and hell, our founding fathers did not set it up for us, they didn't think we, the commoners, should have a vote.

You may think it's a great system and/or its a working system, but many professors and even some politicians along with many Americans think it's flawed.
I also do not see how changing it to and "up / down" vote, or a different system all together will lead us to lose the ability to vote. The way you are making it sound is if they change how presidents are voted in, in any other way then how it is now, it will turn into a dictatorship, which makes 0 sense.

Overall, like I said, you see it one way, I see it another. Who is right, we both can be and we both can be wrong. At least we can agree to disagree so it seems. Well, I will leave it at this. I am done talking about it, and it seems we will never see eye to eye, and this is why talking about politics really should not be discussed in a community like this.

Ahhhh see you made the mistake of thinking that this is all about Trump?
No, you see I only was defending the Systems of Government many in place since 1776 that actually work.
If they didn't work explain the Success of the USA?
You see we were lucky here in the USA as a new Country, we had a Fresh Clean Slate between the people and the new Government. There were no old grievances dating back to Feudal times that got in the way of negotiating the new Gov. here.
You see just because some Snarky Professor who believes in Saul Alinksi and Socialism says so, it must be true?
lmao No!

Did Trump attack the Electoral College? I bet he did, he is a Populist type candidate that leans Conservative but, and like most candidates will jump on a hot button topic to get his opinion out there.

My education in the Electoral College came in 1981 as a Freshman in High School.
And my Defense of the Representative Republic of the USA has not changed since.
Yes we are NOT a Democracy, we are a Republic.


The Electoral College was put in Place in 1806 so every state could have their Voice heard.
Actually Commoners like us always got to Vote my friend.
#1 you voted for your Local Congressman/Senator
#2 you voted for your Congressman for the house of Representatives
#3 you voted for your Mayor.
#4 you voted for your Governor
#5 you voted for your president and the candidate that wins the state gets the Delegates.

We can agree to disagree Brother, hope your Feathers are not ruffled.
Debate is always pleasantly welcome for a Conservative, happy to discuss.
And Healthy Debate is an American Tradition! :wink:

Washington, Franklin, Hamilton, Adams, Madison agreed with me, So I will stick to them instead of the Socialists from my back yard at Yale.

"A mind is like a Parachute...
It does not work if it is not open" Frank Zappa
Peace

— 0079 wrote

What you guys appear to be  talking about is the first past the post system vs the proportional representation system..

Any of that sound familiar ?

We are a REPUBLIC for the reason SPARTY States / and you can go to federal prison for rigging the election or start a cival war witch almost happened IMHO

O BTW the system we have now came about because most of the country was conservative the Dems at the time changed it long ago (200+ years a go ) otherwise they would have been shut out like the Dems are trying to do now with there Santa clause approach vote for me I will give you everything / I, we all know a country in kayos now for using that approach